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Blisters and Flapping Sounds

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12:05 am
November 10, 2011


nickt

Singapore

Member

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Hi, I'm an occasional runner but the last time I went for a 12K run my blisters were really bad. Will tying it really tight help to alleviate this problem? Also, I have a huge concern with the loud flapping sound since I'm a night runner.

 

I am currently running using the POSE method and I've tried running as silently as I can but the flapping sounds persist. Are there any solutions for this? Thanks!

9:21 am
November 10, 2011


Steven

Admin

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Take a look at these two posts:

Barefoot running and blisters

Barefoot sandals slapping

 

The short answer, as you'll see is that both of those issues are pointing to a form issue… and probably the same issue: overstriding.

In the same way that the sensations you get when you run barefoot can and should help you change your form — if it hurts, do something different until it doesn't — blisters and slapping are additional feedback that sandals can give you.

 

I know of a few barefoot runners who were POSITIVE they had great form… and then they put on a pair of huaraches and heard slapping sounds… when they made the corrections to run more quietly, they found that their barefoot form had improved (and the little problems, including blisters, that they thought were just par for the course, vanished).

10:09 am
November 10, 2011


nickt

Singapore

Member

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I did another 5K tonight, re-tied my laces and was mindful not to overstride, the slapping sounds were less evident now, but is running in total silence possible?

1:17 pm
November 10, 2011


Steven

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There's no running shoe (or bare feet) that are TOTALLY silent.

But you can get pretty damn quiet if you try (and still have good form)

1:51 pm
November 10, 2011


bffrank

Brooklyn NY

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Now that I have plenty of Invisible Shoe miles under my belt, I find that slapping sounds generally indicate that my lacing is a bit loose (especially in the forefoot part, from the ankle holes to the toes). Usually when I tighten up the laces (but it is not necessary to make them uncomfortably tight), my stride becomes much quieter.

I had something interesting happen during the first mile of so of the NYC Marathon Sunday (a mile-long climb to the bridge center followed by descent). I was venturing my first Invisible Shoe marathon, and for some reason noticed that my very carefully tied huaraches seemed to be landing unevenly. My right foot seemed to be landing more loudly than the left and I had the sense it was more in a plantar-flexed "tippy-toe" position when it did.

I should mention that my right leg has always been the short leg and that since I began barefoot running I've noticed the forefoot tends to land in an exaggerated supine position (with the outside of the foot overextending to meet the ground).

Long story short, I guess I had started the race with too chilled feet/legs combined with an insufficient warm up. Whatever problems I had on the Verrazano Bridge worked their way out once I warmed up, after easing up on the pace a bit and bending the knees more (Ken Bob Saxton's lifesaving advice, also Steven's recommended soft knees, soft ankles and hips). Big relief, let me tell you!

So the lesson is, first, make sure the forward lacing is taut enough. And the rear lace around the heel/achilles should NOT be pushing the foot so far forward that the toe knot is moving under the ball of the foot. If the lacing is good, I would hope any slapping is due to correctable form problems.

And that's one of my favorite things about Invisible Shoes: the audible feedback. As Steven has said, when something is wrong with your form, you will generally hear it — even more so than if you were truly barefoot. And when you get it right, you're as quiet as a ninja fox. More than once, people running alongside of me have mentioned that they never knew running sandals could make such little noise.

Also, I just wanted to mention that I suppose slapping could occur if the sole is a bit too big for the foot and could benefit from a little *careful* trimmimg with the scissors. If this seems to be the case in a glaring way, let the dust- and wear-pattern be your guide but err on the side of too much rather than too little sole.

6:26 am
January 3, 2012


Python4

So. Cal.

Member

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I notice a flapping sound in my Contacts only when I accidentally heel strike.  Haven't had any tying issues.  I last tied mine about 85 miles ago.  Just slip them on and go.

10:07 am
January 3, 2012


Steven

Admin

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Good point, Python.

Whenever someone says "These shoes make a slapping noise," I like to respond "THEY don't slap… but YOU can slap them."

And heel-striking is one way to slap your toes on the ground.

10:07 am
January 3, 2012


Steven

Admin

posts 259

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Good point, Python.

Whenever someone says "These shoes make a slapping noise," I like to respond "THEY don't slap… but YOU can slap them."

And heel-striking is one way to slap your toes on the ground.

6:06 pm
January 25, 2012


nickt

Singapore

Member

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Hi guys, been a long time and here's an update. The flapping sound no longer bothers me anymore. The skin under my forefoot has hardened to a degree. However, I am still far away from running a full marathon in these. The longest I have gone so far is 24km in huaraches. Still getting a pretty sore foot and it gets really tender when I hit tiny rocks. (Ouch!)

One strange thing to note is, my lace has snapped off 2 times. Good thing is, it's easy to rectify on the spot.

8:28 pm
January 25, 2012


Steven

Admin

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Snapped off how? (or where?)

That's a really unusual thing to hear.

If you're still hearing flapping noises, then the odds are good you're either overstriding or, simply, slamming your feet into the ground (assuming the shoes aren't way too loose). Either of those could lead to sore feet. In other words, just like with barefoot running, if something doesn't feel/sound right, it's usually pointing to something about our form that could be improved.

My running mantra is, "How could I make this easier, quieter, lighter, and more fun?"

4:38 am
January 30, 2012


nickt

Singapore

Member

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What I meant was, I've been running much quieter and faster now that I have found my form to run in. I wouldn't dream of wearing anything else to run at all really.

The lace snapped off from the under knot on both sides. The first time the lace snapped when I was putting them on before a run and it snapped, the second time was when I was running.

The right external lace is also fraying. It's not much of a problem although I think I should be getting some extra laces just in case.

2:20 pm
January 30, 2012


Python4

So. Cal.

Member

posts 11

12

I usually put a bit of "Shoe Goo" on the lace at any ground contact points.  It is cheap, available at most stores that sell shoe polish, etc., and easy to re-apply if necessary.  I haven't had any problems with it.

4:17 pm
January 30, 2012


Steven

Admin

posts 259

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Agreed… a bit of Shoe Goo can help. 

If you snapped the lace at the knot then:

a) Some Shoe Goo on the top (shoe side) of the knot and over the first 1" of the lace could help.

b) What's causing that problem is putting horizontal force on the knot (pulling/pushing with your feet vs. placing/lifting)

The snap that happened putting on your shoes was just the "last straw" after you weakened it while you were running.

FWIW, I've never broken a lace, and I've put many thousands of miles on mine.

 

-S

8:57 pm
January 30, 2012


nickt

Singapore

Member

posts 8

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I'll keep that in mind. Thanks!



 
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