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Offlinehi there barefooters! i'm looking for some very much needed advice to help out my poor feet. Well, specifically my right foot. Ever since I read Born to Run, over a year ago, I've been anxious to get into barefoot running. A little too anxious…alas, another victim to "too much, too soon".
A quick run-down of my process (or more accurately, my lack of progress). At the very beginning: I started out walking around barefoot and after a week thought, ok…time to run. I went just a little ways…all was great…i wanted to run forever! Next time out I went much too far and paid for it. I usually ran 6 or more miles so figured halving it would do fine. Of course 3 miles was much too far for a new barefooter. i got blisters and ended up having to ice my feet. Of course i didn't learn my lesson and just figured I was running incorrectly so next time i'd just change my form… I rested for a couple of weeks so the blisters could heal and tried again. I had the same problems and I started getting a new soreness, on the tops of my feet. Noooo. I knew i was running wrong but couldn't figure out how to fix it.
Next stage: I rested from running for 3 months while traveling with a friend through west africa (awesome trip). I was wearing flip-flops the entire time. No foot problems. I did have a couple short runs and hikes but in Vibrams and my feet felt generally alright. Before i went to africa i thought it would be fantastic walk everywhere barefoot there. But the cities are so dirty, with open sewage i was happy to have that piece of rubber between myself and the ground (there's no waay i would go into a squat toilet barefoot!). After 3 months with no shoes, I couldn't bear putting them on…my feet felt cramped! I was now even more anxious to barefoot run…i had, afterall, given them a good rest.
After the trip: ready to try running again! then i had a few short runs and then stupidly went out for 4 miles in Vibrams and by the end the tops of my feet were sore…my right foot was not looking good. The next day i could barely walk. My right foot had taken a severe beating. the left was sore, but not like the right. Now i'm wondering if it was a stress fracture. Oh dear, oh dear.
I can know look back and realize i was doing waaaay too much and should have been starting entirely barefoot and much more slowly. Instead i usually would run a little bit barefoot and then put on the vibrams to get in more miles. I was worried about my foot but after 2 weeks it didn't hurt to walk, but when i woke up every morning and put weight on it, it was very sore. This lasted at least 3 months. I didn't run for those three months to try to fully rest my foot. I was on a bike touring trip (in the UK) at the time so got plenty of exercise there! I knew tendon damage can take a long time to heal so figure i did some serious straining.
When i finally returned home to the U.S. i thought. Ok…plenty of rest this time. more than 3 months. So went out for a baby barefoot run…but soon that top of the foot pain came back. I was really trying to focus on my form but still…that right foot pain. That was 4 months ago. Again, i rested.
Now, I'm living in China (teaching) and started running in shoes again. LIttle bit barefoot and mostly in shoes becauase i felt like maybe i could ease my foot out of the shoe this way while trying to run with better form (now when i'm writing it, it seems like very backward logic…i guess i just reeeally want to run again!). So about a week ago…while in shoes…trying to run with forefoot strike here comes the pain. Even my ankle is sore now. My right ankle has always had problems (i think from being put awkardly in ice skates for too long) so wonder if this could be contributing to the problem. Arrrrg.
Could this be a stress fracture? It's like it won't heal! I probably should have seen a doctor back in the U.S. but just figured they say, "rest your foot, and wear some better shoes". I'm just looking for any advice i can find from people who've heard of and been through similar situations. I guess i just don't know where to go from here. When i walk around the house barefoot, focusing on soft landings, it feels pretty good (no TOFP). I mostly wear Converse shoes outside. Wish i could wander barefoot all day, but being the only white person in a 200 mile radius, i already stand out and can not fathom trying to explain why the rich foreigner looks like a homeless person. I'm also a teacher and barefeet are def. not ok for dress code. I also ride my bike everywhere (does anyone have advice for riding shoes…pressing the pedals all day, especialyl while touring, i can't imagine just wearing huaraches…any opinions?) Maybe I will try to make some hauraches (or order the kit!) in order to have a minimalist shoe that I can wear out and about and when I'm off the bike. But considering that my foot is still sore, do you think it is better to have a shoe "cast" on my foot until it feels better again? Or do you think stripping off the shoe would help it to heal?
I am finally seeing a Doctor/physical therapist this weekend, but who knows what his advice will be like..I've heard mixed things about the Dr.s in China. Sorry for this incredibly long ramble and thanks in advance to anyone and everyone for any advice! I will most likely be returning home to the U.S. in January. Hopefully the issue is resolved by then, but if not, does anyone know a good PT in the Los Angeles/Orange County??!
Thanks for the awesome website and thanks for any help!
Cheers,
ryan
OfflineBackpacknomadicgal said:
hi there barefooters! i'm looking for some very much needed advice to help out my poor feet. Well, specifically my right foot. Ever since I read Born to Run, over a year ago, I've been anxious to get into barefoot running. A little too anxious…alas, another victim to "too much, too soon".
A quick run-down of my process (or more accurately, my lack of progress). At the very beginning: I started out walking around barefoot and after a week thought, ok…time to run. I went just a little ways…all was great…i wanted to run forever! Next time out I went much too far and paid for it. I usually ran 6 or more miles so figured halving it would do fine. Of course 3 miles was much too far for a new barefooter. i got blisters and ended up having to ice my feet. Of course i didn't learn my lesson and just figured I was running incorrectly so next time i'd just change my form… I rested for a couple of weeks so the blisters could heal and tried again. I had the same problems and I started getting a new soreness, on the tops of my feet. Noooo. I knew i was running wrong but couldn't figure out how to fix it.
Next stage: I rested from running for 3 months while traveling with a friend through west africa (awesome trip). I was wearing flip-flops the entire time. No foot problems. I did have a couple short runs and hikes but in Vibrams and my feet felt generally alright. Before i went to africa i thought it would be fantastic walk everywhere barefoot there. But the cities are so dirty, with open sewage i was happy to have that piece of rubber between myself and the ground (there's no waay i would go into a squat toilet barefoot!). After 3 months with no shoes, I couldn't bear putting them on…my feet felt cramped! I was now even more anxious to barefoot run…i had, afterall, given them a good rest.
After the trip: ready to try running again! then i had a few short runs and then stupidly went out for 4 miles in Vibrams and by the end the tops of my feet were sore…my right foot was not looking good. The next day i could barely walk. My right foot had taken a severe beating. the left was sore, but not like the right. Now i'm wondering if it was a stress fracture. Oh dear, oh dear.
I can know look back and realize i was doing waaaay too much and should have been starting entirely barefoot and much more slowly. Instead i usually would run a little bit barefoot and then put on the vibrams to get in more miles. I was worried about my foot but after 2 weeks it didn't hurt to walk, but when i woke up every morning and put weight on it, it was very sore. This lasted at least 3 months. I didn't run for those three months to try to fully rest my foot. I was on a bike touring trip (in the UK) at the time so got plenty of exercise there! I knew tendon damage can take a long time to heal so figure i did some serious straining.
When i finally returned home to the U.S. i thought. Ok…plenty of rest this time. more than 3 months. So went out for a baby barefoot run…but soon that top of the foot pain came back. I was really trying to focus on my form but still…that right foot pain. That was 4 months ago. Again, i rested.
Now, I'm living in China (teaching) and started running in shoes again. LIttle bit barefoot and mostly in shoes becauase i felt like maybe i could ease my foot out of the shoe this way while trying to run with better form (now when i'm writing it, it seems like very backward logic…i guess i just reeeally want to run again!). So about a week ago…while in shoes…trying to run with forefoot strike here comes the pain. Even my ankle is sore now. My right ankle has always had problems (i think from being put awkardly in ice skates for too long) so wonder if this could be contributing to the problem. Arrrrg.
Could this be a stress fracture? It's like it won't heal! I probably should have seen a doctor back in the U.S. but just figured they say, "rest your foot, and wear some better shoes". I'm just looking for any advice i can find from people who've heard of and been through similar situations. I guess i just don't know where to go from here. When i walk around the house barefoot, focusing on soft landings, it feels pretty good (no TOFP). I mostly wear Converse shoes outside. Wish i could wander barefoot all day, but being the only white person in a 200 mile radius, i already stand out and can not fathom trying to explain why the rich foreigner looks like a homeless person. I'm also a teacher and barefeet are def. not ok for dress code. I also ride my bike everywhere (does anyone have advice for riding shoes…pressing the pedals all day, especialyl while touring, i can't imagine just wearing huaraches…any opinions?) Maybe I will try to make some hauraches (or order the kit!) in order to have a minimalist shoe that I can wear out and about and when I'm off the bike. But considering that my foot is still sore, do you think it is better to have a shoe "cast" on my foot until it feels better again? Or do you think stripping off the shoe would help it to heal?
I am finally seeing a Doctor/physical therapist this weekend, but who knows what his advice will be like..I've heard mixed things about the Dr.s in China. Sorry for this incredibly long ramble and thanks in advance to anyone and everyone for any advice! I will most likely be returning home to the U.S. in January. Hopefully the issue is resolved by then, but if not, does anyone know a good PT in the Los Angeles/Orange County??!
Thanks for the awesome website and thanks for any help!
Cheers,
ryan
Rally Ryan,
I'm not a doctor or anything but I think you'd better at least be willing to get a diagnosis re the stress fracture as soon as possible rather than continuing to hobble on it for another seven months. Again, I stress I'm no doctor and have no inside knowledge of how doctors in China would treat this but it seems that letting this go untreated so long would only make things worse perhaps to the point of permanent damage! In my non-medical opinion, I think it would be better to rest it and,perhaps, wrap it up until the fracture heals for X amount of time than to push it and do nothing then be left with a middle and old age of barely being able to walk. If all goes well, you could be back on your feet and able to restart your running program a baby step at a time(and Invisible Shoes would make it fun, IMO).
I hope this helps.
Oro
Ryan,
Here's my $0.02.
WALKING barefoot is nothing like running barefoot, and no amount of walking will prepare you for running.
Similarly, for some people Vibrams are nothing like barefoot either. That is, there's enough padding on the heel and the ball of the foot that you can easily run with form that is far from ideal (don't even get me started on the number of people I see in VFFs who either heel-strike or land with such force that you can hear them slapping the ground from 100m away).
And your definition of "starting slowly" is about 100x more than mine.
If I were going to start slowly, I'd start with 100m. Maybe 200m. TOPS.
And I wouldn't increase the distance until I was able to do that without any problems -- no blisters, no soreness, no pain.
THEN, I'd only increase by 100-200m each time I go out… and I'd rest between runs.
When you're getting in the distance that you want, then you can explore cutting down the recovery time… but if you need more than 24-48 hours to recover, that's a sign that you're still doing something wrong (a form issue).
In the meantime, see a doctor and find out if you DO have a stress fracture.
OfflineThank you guys both for your help and reading my way-too-long vent of a post. Thank you Steven for reminding me how different walking is. My impatience has clearly cost me. My Dr visit has been postponed to this weekend but rest assured I am finally going to see bout the possible fracture. Guess I'm constantly lured into a sense of being fully healed since it doesn't bother me when I walk. when the foot HAS properly healed I'll take it at your pace Steven…I've learned my lesson and know more about how to start out. I also think you are right about the vibrams and I have a couple other friends with similar injuries.I was just too eager and youthfully energized…regretting that now! Thanks again…maybe by next year sometime I'll be trotting lightly with a smile in some invisible shoes : )
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OfflineRyan, I admire your enthusiastic spirit. You need to take it way slower and I agree that you should go barefoot and listen to your feet. Vibrams are great in some ways but I know from other's stories and my own experience thay one can get into major trouble wearing thoses things. Plus they feel like a swamp wrapped around your feet. ( I only use mine for extreme mountain exploring)
Ice your feet to get rid of those blisters and help with the inflamation and trauma.
Also I was able to get rid of the pain on the tops of my feet by deep tissue massaging the soles of my feet. I litterally spend about an hour a day massaging my feet with my foot rubz ball. Anytime you are sitting at work grading notebooks of the students take off your shoes and massage those feet. You can use a golf ball, tennis ball, a rock. Anything that gets deep in there will do. You need to get those muscles loose again.
I was in a similar situation to you when I started and was very afraid I had done damage that could not be reversed. Massage and moderation cured my problems. I am glad I forced my self to do less miles because now I can run everyday. it was worth the wait.
Good luck, Joey
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